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(Article: Subramanian Loonyswamy)
Anonymous (15 Aug. 2012)
This a very good analysis of another Joker from India. Satchi must be congratulated for not letting such hypocrites get away
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What about Vaiko, Seeman & Pazha Nedumaran of today?
'Swamy is a politician who cannot win either a Lok Sabha election or a Tamilnadu state assembly election, standing on his own feet.'
ttpian (16 Aug. 2012)
I shall be thankful to u if u can conduct the "POST MARTEM" of his inter(national) connection(s)
For all I know, he works for "Commission"
readers!just remember my earlier comments:swamy expects
south blog to appoint her daughter as the ambassador for srilanka:
it is anybody's guess,what is brewing in Delhi Dharbar!
Clutching At Reality (16 Aug. 2012)
You had me until you brought up that issue about (Tamil) Brahmins. Given Mr Swamy has crossed just about everybody in his way, including several (Tamil) Brahmins, what purpose did it serve for you to psychologize his behavior to his caste, megalomania, etc.? what special talents and experience do you have to make me believe your analysis--clearly at a distance, as you don't know Mr Swamy well enough to conclude anything involving his psychology--is any accurate?
Truth be told, the experience of Tamil Brahmins in Tamil Nadu is not that different from those of Tamils in Sri Lanka. They too had different (higher) thresholds to clear to gain admission to universities, they too were at the receiving end of state-sponsored discrimination in employment, education and so on...and you who ought to know what all that is speak with evil about another that has suffered like you? Shame on you!
To the contrary I shall affirmatively say that it is because of the tendency of you and your ilk, to blame any criticism of you/the LTTE to caste and to speak of Tamil Brahmins in a cavalier, derogatory manner, that I and others in the Indian diaspora will root for the extermination of the LTTE and its debris from our societies, Indian and Western.
For you must realize the consequences of your racist and bigoted words and conduct...and no effort must be spared in that.
Meikandan (17 Aug. 2012)
Subramanian Swamy is a pathetic loser. He suffers from caste mania and he is someone who dances to the tune of his paymasters, be it MR or similar politicians all over the world.
Seelan (17 Aug. 2012)
Clutching at reality said most of what I felt. Sachi demonstrates the true qulities of the dictatorial & megalomaniac characteristics of his God, VP and the follower gang who destroyed the great Tamil civilisation/culture in Sri Lanka and trying to do the same in TN.
rajendraus (18 Aug. 2012)
This article is awesome, I love it.
To add more to it, when it comes to Subramania Swamy one has to recall his role in the Rajiv Gandhi Assassination.
It is over twenty years since Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated. The Tamil Tigers had been accused of the murder and sentenced to imprisonment. But yet the riddle of the assassination remains gloomy and unresolved.
The truth behind who was responsible for the murder still remains vague and no clear verdict has been offered. The Jain Commission Report has not done justice in making the right verdict. The report only found the LTTE as a convenient scapegoat put to blame.
In the midst of the Borfos scandal and the speculation of CIA
Sachi Sri Kantha (20 Aug. 2012)
My answers to critics:
Anonymous (15 Aug): about the electoral politics of Vaiko and P.Nedumaran. Vaiko had been elected twice for Lok Sabha in 1998 and 1999, even after his links to LTTE became wellknown. Though he did lose in the last general election, the number of votes he polled was not in the range of what Subramanian Swamy had received in Madurai in 1999 and 2004. P.Nedumaran was also once elected to Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly in 1980, from Madurai on his own merit. Seeman is relatively young, and new to Tamilnadu politics.
Clutching at Reality (16 Aug): I wonder what made you to fear me, in hiding under a pseudonym. If you are a Tamil brahmin, please come out of the closet buddy. If you re-read my commentary clearly, you can note that Swamy's political behavior had been commented upon by other Indian politicians. Especially, I quoted the views of two non-Tamil Indians, Ram Jethmalani and Najma Heptullah. Both of these, have observed Swamy's behavior intimately. Isn't it Swamy's megalomania-tinged hypocrisy that turned him to anti-Muslim tirade last year? If he is so consistent in his policy, how come he couldn't repeat the same in Colombo this year, as Sri Lanka has Hindu and Muslim populations too? Swamy's megalomania oozes out from his mouth, nose and hands. One need not be close to him, to smell it. For want of focus, I had omitted Swamy's attention-grabbing tirades against Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi, whom Swamy had accused as KGB moles in Indian politics.
Meikandan (20 Aug. 2012)
Clutching at reality,
I had a tamil brahmin friend at the university I studied. He told me how the brahmins of TN were marginalized by the sweeping DMK in the late sixties. But he also told me that the whole Brahmin community paid for the caste oriented, megalomaniacal repression the brahmin elite unleashed on the 'other' tamil people under the British Raj in TN.
He also told me that the DMK carried out the reprisals only for a decade and things started to improve later. He also said that for hundreds of years of 'brahmin' repression on other tamils, DMK spared the brahmins with only about a 10 or so years of repression. In essence, he said the 'brahmins' should not complain about this as 'what they sow, what they harvested'.
I also met another Brahmin expatriate from TN who is the opposite. He still thinks, the 'brahmins' are 'special' people and they are the 'smartest' among TN tamils. You tell me whether 'this guy is caste oriented or not'??
But the younger generation Brahmins, like my friend are lot smarter and more fairer than their ancestors. So let us look at the positive side of the current and future generation tamil brahmins who want to work with others as equals and forget about the 'loser' brahmins such as 'loonyswamy' and his ilk.
I defend Satchi here, because he is absolutely right in saying Subramaniam aka 'loonyswamy' belongs to the caste oriented older brahmin generation.
Clutching At Reality (21 Aug. 2012)
Meikandan, Satchi: Let me try to address both of your responses together, as qualitatively you seem to espouse the same thoughts and mindset.
First, whether I am of Tamil Brahmin heritage or not is irrelevant. I have no closet to come out of and to hear mention of closets and such only further confirms your bigotry and racist (and what now, homophobic as well?) mindset. My name should suggest what I am (and not) and that hardly means I am going to be silent when I see bigotry of the rank kind practiced.
Second, and this specifically to Meikandan's:
>caste oriented, megalomaniacal repression the brahmin elite
>unleashed on the 'other' tamil people under the British Raj in TN.
As I said earlier, this is the mirror image of the ideology espoused by the Sinhalas in Sri Lanka. That the Tamils had it better/easier under the colonial era, and the changes to the SL Constiitution and academic entry quals were to restore parity so Tamils have to compete on an equal footing with the Sinhalas. Of course the Sinhalas had the voting power to carry it out. Did you find that acceptable? No, you didn't. You took to weapons and worse, and after all the storm and fury now you want the world to shed tears and empathize with the violation of human rights. So how come you are silent or worse, engaging in bigotry when there's another community that has contributed significantly to Tamil culture/literature/arts/etc, experiencing the same as your people did, except the perpetrators are the DMK and their kind (your supposed brethren, right?) in that magical land of Tamil Nadu?
Instead of empathy we have psychoanalysis-at-a-distance by the likes of Satchi. We have anecdotes of "good" and "bad" Tamil Brahmins by Meikandan. We see rank bigotry expressed and practiced by you. And you are the intellectuals among your community? No wonder the people suffered as they did (and continue to).
What does Subramamian Swamy's religion (or caste) have anything to do with his behavior, rants or otherwise? Nothing. If you see "caste" in that situation it is because your eyes and lens are tinted with that outlook, not because it is out there at all.
Put it this way, if you want to see better days for yourself and your people you don't have to look far to begin where that change begins. The Tamils of Sri Lanka, and you both seem foremost examples of that lately, seem very talented at alienating people when you can't afford to at all, when you need the support and empathy of everyone around. And, Satchi, as long as you stand by your bigoted statements, with defenders like Meikandan, trust me, the world will be against you and insure the defeats and debacles you experienced lately are just the beginning.
Not good practice to follow up on one's own posting...but shall I request an exception, please?
So, Meikandan, if a Tamil Brahmin's worldview agrees with your own then (s)he is a good Brahmin and if their worldview is not congruent with your own then they are a "bad", "loser" Brahmin?
Isn't this the ideology that led the LTTE and other Sri Lankan Tamil brethren to assassinate, murder, wipe out those that differed, even by a hair length, from them? And if they were not congruent with your worldview then you disparage them as losers, megalomaniac Tamil Brahmins, North Indians, Punjabi scum that can't understand Tamil matters, etc.
It is this totalitarian mindset that led your people down that devastating path of the past few decades. To see that still alive and kicking, esp in a forum like this where Sri Lankan Tamil affairs are being presented to be discussed with civility, decorum, etc. among the intellectuals to persuade others, should inform you what awaits downstream is more of what you and your people experienced the past few years.
seelan (24 Aug. 2012)
The most relevant evidence re Rajiv assasination came from late Anton Balasingham.
Meikandan (28 Aug. 2012)
Please do not change track here. So, you are telling me that the 'other brahmin' who said the brahmins are the smartest and other tamilians in TN are inferior is 'not' caste oriented??
- Subramaniya Bharathiyar was a brahmin, but he was a forward thinking brahmin who used his good knowledge and poetic skills to bring together people to fight the British Raj.
- Not all brahmins are bad; Likewise not all non-brahmins are bad either.
However, we are talking about a 'select' influential section of the brahmin elite of the previous generations that still lives in fool's paradise.
- My understanding is that Satchi is never against forward thinking, good brahmins. Rather, he is against the 'megalomaniacal' type like Subramanian Swamy.
Clutching at Reality, please note that megalomania can be in any type of people.
- What I do not understand is 'why you are getting agitated' even after we clarified this.
In my true opinion, DMK of the 50's and 60's was against the superstitions and other customs manipulated by a certain 'elite' section of the brahmins. In my humble opinion, DMK should have stopped with the elimination of malpractices by this certain 'click' and not gone to the extent of discriminating them in every sphere of the government. However, it did happen.
- With all this DMK movements, the corruption is still at large in TN and in other Indian states. We also know that the problem has moved away from casteism to 'corruption'. Caste is used as a convenient tool to mobilize / hold power to rob / steal money through corruption.
ttpian (5 Sep. 2012)
Dear My brother Meikandan!
Please refer DMK in two forms:
B.C.R(Before Congress Relationship)
A.C.R(After Congress Relationship)
Any tamil man can find lot of Gap in between
Clutching At Reality (7 Sep. 2012)
Can you educate me and the world on what gives you (or Satchi) the basis to demarcate \"good\" from \"bad\" Brahmins? who engages in \"megalomania\" and who doesn\'t? who is \"elite\" and who is not? who lives in the fool\'s paradise you refer to, and who does not?
Going by all that, what I sense going on in your and Satchi\'s comments and writings is an acute sense of projection. If you only consider how much of what you say, how you define/describe another is nothing but how you may be describing yourself...you are likely to see the ones living in a fool\'s paradise, engaging in megalomania, practicing elitism while claiming to be non-elite, being outrageously bad while posturing as the good...are none but you.
In your situation, and speaking as one that empathizes with the trials and tribulations of the Sri Lankan Tamils even while realizing their leadership in the form of the LTTE and its supporters compounded their difficulties, I\'d be loathe to engage in the finger-ponting, character assassinations, political and real-life assassinations that you and your brethren in the LTTE (or its remnants) seem to relish exhibiting.
Enough said, as they say.
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